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Currently in round II of a set of discussions with a certain person on LJ who has a track record of distorting other people's words and also with some strongly a-historical arguments. In this case this person wants to argue that Baby Boomers made the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s happen. I can simply and effectively debunk this with a simple matter of chronology: assuming the Boomers start in 1945/6 (which is the timeframe my father was born in, incidentally), then for them to be active in the Little Rock and Montgomery era would mean a mass white Children's Crusade happened out of thin air and was covered up. The claim that the Freedom Riders and likeminded groups were the start of that movement is an obnoxious part of white progressive rhetoric that never made sense to me even when I was actually in high school. As someone working on a Master's in history, if I'm going to be lectured by some person who's in the Boomer generation about how the 1960s movements happened out of a vacuum and that 1955 was led by children, I do not have any respect for said person's credibility.

It's about as bad as seeing David Neiwert and Sara Robinson argue against fascism on the one hand and then dedicate an entire post to explaining how Woodrow Wilson, a dogmatic, authoritarian asshole at home was not in actual fact a dogmatic, racist, authoritarian asshole of the very sort that site claims to condemn on a regular basis. Under L does not like being treated as a kid by someone who lived through a movement who doesn't understand the iron logic of chronology.

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Date: 2012-09-10 05:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] onyxlynx
I think Boomers get the credit for raising opposition to the Vietnam War, but yes, the Civil Rights movement is mostly before their time.

I bet your correspondent believes the Beatles invented rock 'n' roll, and their sole precursor was Elvis. (Excuse me I need to spit.)

Woodrow Wilson? I shall have to find that post (searching Orcinus is not for the faint-hearted); I've always found Sara Robinson, at least, solid in her facts, if occasionally hitting blind spots.

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Date: 2012-09-10 06:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] onyxlynx
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/search?q=Woodrow+Wilson actually yielded the post(s) in question. Color me shocked.

However, the claim that Mr. Neiwert was explaining how Woodrow Wilson, a dogmatic, authoritarian asshole at home was not in actual fact a dogmatic, racist, authoritarian asshole of the very sort that site claims to condemn on a regular basis is not quite accurate. Mr. Neiwert enlisted an academic designated "woodrowfan," who explained that Mr. Wilson was indeed dogmatic, racist, authoritarian, and an asshole; but not a fascist. (He also tried to pass off the racism as normal. The commenters got after him.) This was less a "defense" of Wilson's presidency and more a codswalloping of Liberal Fascism, which had then recently been published.

Sorry to go off on a tangent like that.
Edited (HTML correction.) Date: 2012-09-10 06:16 am (UTC)

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